Sony NEX-6 vs Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

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      Overview

      In this comparison, we will evaluate the Sony NEX-6 and the Panasonic Lumix DC-G9, highlighting the advantages of each over the other, discussing their pros and cons, shared strengths and weaknesses, and providing a rating based on their available features and specifications to assist you in choosing the one that best suits your needs.

      Sony NEX-6 was introduced in March 2013 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 was introduced in November 2017. Let us first list highlights of the models.

      Sony NEX-6 Highlights

      • 16.1 MP APS-C CMOS Sensor
      • 100 - 25,600 Native ISO
      • 99 Focus Points (99 Cross-type)
      • 3.0" 921k dot Tilting Screen
      • 2,359k dot Electronic Viewfinder
      • 10.0 fps Continuous Shooting
      • 1920 x 1080 Video Shooting
      • 30 min Video Recording Limit
      • Built-in Flash
      • Built-In Wi-Fi

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Highlights

      • 20.33 MP Micro Four Thirds CMOS Sensor
      • No Optical Low-pass Filter
      • 200 - 25,600 Native ISO
      • 225 Focus Points
      • 5-Axis Image Stabilization
      • 3.0" 1,040k dot Fully Articulated Screen
      • 3,680k dot Electronic Viewfinder
      • 20.0 fps Continuous Shooting
      • 3840 x 2160 Video Shooting
      • 30 min Video Recording Limit
      • Built-In Wi-Fi
      • Wheather Sealed Body

      Now that we've looked at the most essential specifications and gained a basic understanding of these cameras, we can delve into more details and see the differences between them.

      Pros and Cons

      In this section we present pros and cons of Sony NEX-6 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9.

      PROS

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      •   Cheap
      •   Video Capture
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   Face Detection
      •   Live View Autofocus
      •   Built-in Flash
      •   HDMI Output
      •   Built-In Wi-Fi
      •   Light - 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz)
      •   Video Capture
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Face Detection
      •   Live View Autofocus
      •   Animal Eye Detection
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Fully Articulated Screen
      •   Touch Screen
      •   High Max Shutter Speed (Mechanical or 1st Curtain) - 1/8000 sec
      •   High Max Shutter Speed (Electronic) - 1/32000 sec
      •   High Max Continuous Shooting - 20.0 fps
      •   High Video Resolution - 3840 x 2160
      •   No crop on 4K Videos
      •   Webcam Functionality
      •   High USB Speed
      •   HDMI Output
      •   Built-In Wi-Fi
      •   Built-In Bluetooth
      •   Environmental Sealing
      •   USB Charging
      •   2 Storage Slots
      •   Orientation Sensor

      CONS

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Low Video Resolution - 1920 x 1080
      •   Low Video Recording Limit
      •   No Microphone Input
      •   No Headphone Output
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   No Built-In Bluetooth
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      •   Short Battery Life - 360 shots
      •   Small Sensor
      •   200 Lowest Native ISO
      •   Low Video Recording Limit
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Short Battery Life - 400 shots


      And here are some specifications which fall into average criteria and are neither in PROs nor in CONs category:

      AVERAGE

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      •   Sensor Resolution - 16.1 Megapixel
      •   100 Lowest Native ISO
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   Tilting Screen
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 2,359k dot
      •   Max Shutter Speed (Mechanical or 1st Curtain) - 1/4000 sec
      •   Max Continuous Shooting - 10.0 fps
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/160 sec
      •   DxO Overall Score - 78
      •   Price
      •   Sensor Resolution - 20.33 Megapixel
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   -4 EV Min AF Detection
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 3,680k dot
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/250 sec
      •   Weight - 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz)

      Advantage of Sony NEX-6

      This section shows those features and specifications which are the reason to choose Sony NEX-6 over Panasonic Lumix DC-G9.

      Sony NEX-6 vs Panasonic Lumix DC-G9
      Cheaper $749 (body only), $899 (with 16-50mm lens), $1349 (with 16-50 and 55-210 mm lenses) vs $1699 (body only)
      Larger Sensor APS-C vs Micro Four Thirds
      Lower Native ISO 100 vs 200
      Phase Detection for Autofocus vs
      Built-in Flash vs
      Lighter 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz) vs 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz)

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      Advantage of Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      This section shows those features and specifications which are the reason to choose Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 over Sony NEX-6.

      Sony NEX-6 vs Panasonic Lumix DC-G9
      Higher Sensor Resolution 16.1 Megapixel vs 20.33 Megapixel
      Max Image Resolution 4912 x 3264 vs 5184 x 3888
      More Focus Points 99 vs 225
      Touch-to-Focus vs
      Center Autofocus vs
      Tracking Autofocus vs
      Animal Eye Detection vs
      Image Stabilization vs 5-Axis Sensor Shift
      Screen Type Tilting vs Fully Articulated
      Touch Screen vs
      Higher Resolution Screen 921k dot vs 1,040k dot
      Top LCD Screen vs
      Higher Viewfinder Magnification (35mm equivalent) 0.73x vs 0.83x
      Higher Resolution Viewfinder 2,359k dot vs 3,680k dot
      Lower Min Shutter Speed 30 sec vs 60 sec
      Higher Max Shutter Speed (Mechanical or 1st Curtain) 1/4000 sec vs 1/8000 sec
      Higher Max Continuous Shooting 10.0 fps vs 20.0 fps
      Higher Flash Sync Speed 1/160 sec vs 1/250 sec
      Average Metering vs
      Higher Video Resolution 1920 x 1080 vs 3840 x 2160
      Higher USB Speed USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec) vs USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 (5 GBit/sec)
      Microphone Input vs
      Headphone Output vs
      Built-In Bluetooth vs
      Environmental Sealing vs
      Longer Battery Life 360 shots vs 400 shots
      More Storage Slots 1 vs 2

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      Common Strengths and Weaknesses

      We already listed pros and cons of each model. However, you may also find useful to look at their common strengths and weaknesses shown side-by-side.

      STRENGTHS Sony NEX-6 Panasonic Lumix DC-G9
        Video Capture
        Many Focus Points99225
        Face Detection
        Live View Autofocus
        HDMI Output Mini Type C Full Size
        Built-In Wi-Fi
      WEAKNESSES Sony NEX-6 Panasonic Lumix DC-G9
        Low Video Recording Limit30 min30 min
        No Built-in GPS
        Short Battery Life360 shots400 shots

      Screen and Viewfinder

      Screen

      Sony NEX-6 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 have 3.0" screens with 921k dot and 1,040k dot resolutions respectively. Sony NEX-6 has a Tilting screen which makes it very useful for photography purposes but not so useful for video shooting. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has a Fully Articulated screen which makes it selfie and vlogger friendly and generally very useful for video shooting. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 also features touchscreen which has advantages such as easy menu navigation, intuitive controls, quick setting adjustment and most importantly a Touch-to-Focus functionality (available only on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9) allowing users to select a specific point on the screen where they want the camera to focus. This feature can be helpful for achieving precise focus in both photo and video recording.

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      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 with Fully Articulated screen


      Viewfinder

      Sony NEX-6 has a built-in Electronic viewfinder with 2,359k dot resolution and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has a built-in Electronic viewfinder with 3,680k dot resolution. They both have 100% coverage.

      Sensor

      Sony NEX-6 features a 16.1 megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor with dimensions of 23.5 x 15.6 mm and a total area of 366.6 mm2. Its native ISO range is 100 - 25,600. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 features a 20.33 megapixel Micro Four Thirds CMOS sensor with dimensions of 17.3 x 13 mm and a total area of 169 mm2. Its native ISO range is 200 - 25,600 and expands to 100 - 25,600 in boosted mode.


      Here is a sensor size comparison chart where you can see how different sensors compare with each other:

      Sensor size chart
      Sensor Dimensions Area Aspect Ratio Crop Factor
      Image cannot be displayedMedium Format44 x 33 mm1452 mm24:30.79x
      Image cannot be displayedFull Frame36 x 24 mm864 mm23:21x
      Image cannot be displayedAPS-H27 x 18 mm486 mm23:21.3x
      Image cannot be displayedAPS-C23.6 x 15.6 mm368.2 mm23:21.5x
      Image cannot be displayedAPS-C (Canon)22.3 x 14.9 mm332.3 mm23:21.6x
      Image cannot be displayedMicro Four Thirds17.4 x 13 mm226.2 mm24:32x
      Image cannot be displayed1-inch13.2 x 8.8 mm116.2 mm23:22.7x
      Image cannot be displayed1/1.7-inch7.44 x 5.58 mm41.5 mm24:34.7x
      Image cannot be displayed1/2.3-inch6.17 x 4.55 mm28.1 mm24:35.6x

      Photography Features

      Sony NEX-6 is equipped with BIONZ processor and can take pictures up to 4912 x 3264 resolution. It can also take pictures with lower resolution like 4912 x 2760, 3568 x 2368, 3568 x 2000, 2448 x 1624, 2448 x 1376 with 3:2, 16:9 aspect ratios. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 can take pictures up to 5184 x 3888 resolution.


      Lens Mount

      Sony NEX-6 has Sony E lens mount and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has Micro Four Thirds lens mount. Due to APS-C sensor in Sony NEX-6 its crop factor is equal to 1.5x, this means that a 35mm equivalent focal length of the mounted lens will be equal to its actual focal length times 1.5. Due to Micro Four Thirds sensor in Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 its crop factor is equal to 2x, this means that a 35mm equivalent focal length of the mounted lens will be equal to its actual focal length times 2.


      No Low-Pass Filter on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      There is no optical low-pass filter (OLPF), also known as an anti-aliasing filter, in front of the sensor on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9. This results in a slightly sharper image but may also introduce moiré patterns and aliasing artifacts when photographing subjects with fine, repetitive patterns or details.


      In-Body Image Stabilization on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has a built-in 5-Axis Sensor Shift in-body image stabilization (IBIS) with 6.5 stops of compensation. This means that you are still getting vibration reduction when camera is paired with non-image stabilizied lenses. It also works with lenses with optical image stabilization and in combination can achieve even better compensation.

      Connectivity, Battery and Storage

      Built-in Wi-Fi

      Cameras have built-in Wi-Fi (Wi-Fi 5 802.11ac/b/g/n 2.4/5 GHz on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9) which allows to easily transfer photos and videos from the camera to other Wi-Fi-enabled devices, such as smartphones, tablets, printers, or computers. This eliminates the need for cables and allows for quick and convenient media sharing and social media integration. It gives you the ability to control your camera remotely using a smartphone or tablet. This is particularly useful for taking self-portraits, group shots, or capturing images in challenging conditions without having to touch the camera. Firmware updates can also be downloaded and installed wirelessly.
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      Bluetooth on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has a built-in Bluetooth which lets you to connect the camera to a smartphone or a dedicated remote control device. This allows you to remotely trigger the camera, adjust settings and controls remotely through a paired mobile app. While Wi-Fi is generally faster for transferring larger files, Bluetooth can be used for small, selective transfers, it can provide real-time information about your camera's battery status, memory card capacity, and other key settings directly on your paired smartphone or smartwatch.
        Check out the cameras in our database that have built-in Bluetooth.


      USB Inputs and HDMI Outputs

      Both models have USB inputs for data transfer. Sony NEX-6 has a Mini Type C HDMI and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has a Full Size HDMI connector for video signal output.


      Battery

      Sony NEX-6 comes with NPFW50 battery pack with battery life of 360 shots and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 comes with DMW-BLF19 battery pack with battery life of 400 shots.


      External Storage Slots

      Sony NEX-6 has a single SD/SDHC/SDXC, Memory Stick Duo/Pro Duo/Pro-HG Duo card slot. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has Dual SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-II) card slots.

      Other Features

      Shutter

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has Mechanical Focal Plane shutter and Electronic shutter. Shutter speed can go up to 1/4000 sec on Sony NEX-6, and up to 1/32000 sec with electronic shutter and up to 1/8000 sec with mechanical shutter on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9. Sony NEX-6 can shoot continuously up to 10.0 fps. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 can shoot continuously up to 20.0 fps.


      Focusing

      Sony NEX-6 has 99 focusing points and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has 225 focusing points. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has detection range from -4 to +18 EV.


      Exposure

      Exposure meterings of Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 ranges from 0 to +18 EV and you can set the exposure compensation within the ±5 EV range. You can also do exposure bracketing and manual exposure adjustment on Sony NEX-6 and exposure lock, exposure bracketing and manual exposure adjustment on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9.


      Flash

      Sony NEX-6 has a built-in flash with maximum range of 6.00 m and also accepts external flash which can be connected via Hot Shoe or Wireless connection. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 has no built-in flash but an external flash may be connected via Hot Shoe or PC Terminal. The fastest flash synchronization speed is 1/160 sec on Sony NEX-6 and 1/250 sec on Panasonic Lumix DC-G9.

      Physical Parameters

      Sony NEX-6 body has dimensions of 120 x 67 x 43 mm (4.72 x 2.64 x 1.69") and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 body has dimensions of 137 x 97 x 92 mm (5.39 x 3.82 x 3.62"). Sony NEX-6 weighs 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz) and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 weighs 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz).

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      120 mm

      67 mm

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      137 mm

      97 mm

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      67 mm

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      97 mm

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      43 mm

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      92 mm

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      Size comparisons of Sony NEX-6 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      Sony NEX-6 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 for Different Types of Photography

      We give scores to the cameras for six types of photography based on their features and specifications. Let us see how suitable they are for each type of photography.

      Landscape Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      71
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      GOOD
      79
      •   Small Sensor
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Environmental Sealing

      Sports Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      AVERAGE
      65
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   Face Detection
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 2,359k dot
      •   Max Continuous Shooting - 10.0 fps
      •   Short Battery Life - 360 shots
      GOOD
      80
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Face Detection
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 3,680k dot
      •   High Max Continuous Shooting - 20.0 fps
      •   Short Battery Life - 400 shots
      •   2 Storage Slots
      •   Orientation Sensor

      Wildlife Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      AVERAGE
      56
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 2,359k dot
      •   Max Continuous Shooting - 10.0 fps
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      •   Short Battery Life - 360 shots
      GOOD
      80
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Animal Eye Detection
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 3,680k dot
      •   High Max Continuous Shooting - 20.0 fps
      •   Environmental Sealing
      •   Short Battery Life - 400 shots
      •   2 Storage Slots
      •   Orientation Sensor

      Portrait Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      77
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   Face Detection
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/160 sec
      EXCELLENT
      86
      •   Small Sensor
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Face Detection
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/250 sec
      •   Orientation Sensor

      Street Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      82
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Tilting Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      •   Light - 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz)
      EXCELLENT
      88
      •   Small Sensor
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Fully Articulated Screen
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Environmental Sealing
      •   Weight - 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz)

      Travel Photography

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      82
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Tilting Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Low Video Resolution - 1920 x 1080
      •   Low Video Recording Limit
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      •   Light - 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz)
      •   Short Battery Life - 360 shots
      EXCELLENT
      86
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   Fully Articulated Screen
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   High Video Resolution - 3840 x 2160
      •   No crop on 4K Videos
      •   Low Video Recording Limit
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Environmental Sealing
      •   Weight - 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz)
      •   Short Battery Life - 400 shots

      Evaluations

      We evaluate Sony NEX-6 and Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 and give them scores of 65 and 78 out of 100 recpectively. We also give separate scores for 7 different categories according to the available features and specifications some of which are listed below. These evaluations are relative and may change each time a new camera is added to the database.


      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      OVERALL
      65
      OVERALL
      78

      Sensor

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      70
      •   Sensor Resolution - 16.1 Megapixel
      •   100 Lowest Native ISO
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO
      •   DxO Overall Score - 78
      AVERAGE
      58
      •   Small Sensor
      •   Sensor Resolution - 20.33 Megapixel
      •   200 Lowest Native ISO
      •   25,600 Highest Native ISO

      Photo

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      AVERAGE
      61
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Max Shutter Speed (Mechanical or 1st Curtain) - 1/4000 sec
      •   Max Continuous Shooting - 10.0 fps
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/160 sec
      GOOD
      79
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   High Max Shutter Speed (Mechanical or 1st Curtain) - 1/8000 sec
      •   High Max Shutter Speed (Electronic) - 1/32000 sec
      •   High Max Continuous Shooting - 20.0 fps
      •   Max Flash Sync Speed - 1/250 sec

      Video

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      BAD
      16
      •   No Image Stabilization
      •   Low Video Resolution - 1920 x 1080
      •   Low Video Recording Limit
      GOOD
      71
      •   Image Stabilization
      •   High Video Resolution - 3840 x 2160
      •   No crop on 4K Videos
      •   Webcam Functionality
      •   Low Video Recording Limit

      Focusing

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      78
      •   99 Focus Points
      •   0 Cross-type Focus Points
      •   Face Detection
      •   Live View Autofocus
      EXCELLENT
      86
      •   -4 EV Min AF Detection
      •   225 Focus Points
      •   Touch-to-Focus
      •   Face Detection
      •   Live View Autofocus
      •   Animal Eye Detection

      Screen and Viewfinder

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      73
      •   Tilting Screen
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 921k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 2,359k dot
      EXCELLENT
      86
      •   Fully Articulated Screen
      •   Touch Screen
      •   Screen Size - 3.0"
      •   Screen Resolution - 1,040k dot
      •   Viewfinder Resolution - 3,680k dot

      Connectivity

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      GOOD
      78
      •   HDMI Output
      •   No Microphone Input
      •   No Headphone Output
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Built-In Wi-Fi
      •   No Built-In Bluetooth
      EXCELLENT
      96
      •   High USB Speed
      •   HDMI Output
      •   No Built-in GPS
      •   Built-In Wi-Fi
      •   Built-In Bluetooth

      Battery, Storage and Physical

      Sony NEX-6

      Panasonic Lumix DC-G9

      POOR
      42
      •   No Environmental Sealing
      •   Light - 345 g (0.76 lb / 12.17 oz)
      •   Short Battery Life - 360 shots
      GOOD
      72
      •   Environmental Sealing
      •   Weight - 658 g (1.45 lb / 23.21 oz)
      •   Short Battery Life - 400 shots
      •   2 Storage Slots


      For a full specification list please go to the specifications page:

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